The Official Burton Thread

[C.Fuzzy]

All that said: WHO’S RIDING THIS WEEKEND??

Lawn mowers

[AyAyRon]

Im sure this is in direct response to the shitty winter experienced by many regions this year. I'm not sure there is a definite trend of shitty winters or not, after a three decades of living in the mountains i can't see any linear trend. There was a series of shitty winters in the 90's, 2000s, 2010's. People have short memories.

Perhaps other regions aren't seeing it in terms of snowfall, but in the midwest it's a pretty clear trend. Over the last 50 years the growing season has extended as frost patterns have shifted and the planting or growing zones have moved as it's warmer for longer further north. Winter starts later, ends earlier, temps are warmer and our snowfall is down. Though, if you look at precipitation (instead of actual snowfall) the totals look similar to historic averages, but now that precip is now coming as rain or mixed instead of as snow. It's measured and documented.

As a kid I can recall blizzards so bad people would get lost and die walking just a few yards to their cars. We could ride our snowmobiles from county to county all winter long. Farmers would put up miles of snow fences. We'd get "Alberta Clippers" coming though the region on a regular basis that would bring subzero temps for weeks at a time.

None of that happens anymore. Many of our snowmobile trails don't even open. Guys trailer their sleds further and further north just to ride.

I can recall 30 years ago when I was in high school they would plow snow into 20+ feet high piles in the school parking lot and then they'd come with big loaders and put it into dump trucks to take it away to make room for more snow. They'd dump it into fields like a garbage dump of snow mounds, and they'd put huge piles at the local sledding park and we'd make jumps out of it. Ski hills would normally be open by mid November, sometimes even late October, with natural snow.

Now there are no massive snow piles in parking lots, no loaders regularly taking it away, and these days our ski hills need to make artificial snow just to open at all. This isn't like a bad year or two. We haven't had what I would even consider a 'good' winter for over a decade.

Another anecdotal is there's a little bay in Copper Harbor which is at the very tip of the Keweenaw peninsula in Upper Michigan. The Keweenaw sticks out like a finger into the center of Lake Superior, the deepest and coldest of the great lakes. A lake with water so cold that it's usually only a little above freezing, and even in the dead heat of summer the shore water temps might get up to between 50 and 60 degrees. It's pretty uncomfortable even at it's warmest. So this little bay is maybe 2 miles long and 1/2 wide, and pretty small, sitting out into the middle of this cold cold lake, and it hasn't frozen over solid in several years. I mean, to me this is like, almost unfathomable.

There's more too. I could go on. And I don't know if it's normal climate shifts or not. I'm looking at a few decades, not hundreds or thousands of years. But it doesn't matter. But both the data and the experience is saying the same thing... shit's different.

I always think it's a bit short sighted and perhaps narcissistic to think one human's or even one generations perspective on how the weather has changed reflects an actual trend in the climate. Who's to say your kids won't have a completely opposite experience? When has the weather patterns ever been static and unchanging? How long did the depression drought last?

[AyAyRon]

Burton the artist series

recovering a little joy in this thread
https://www.burton.com/us/en/p/burton-a ... 42601.html

I am digging this.

[AyAyRon]

They say they are “cycles”… the European Renaissance appeared due to climate change, the heat favored the crops, there was food and the rich “lords” like the “medici” in Italy were richer and could have painters under their wing who would become illustrious…

What we don't know now is what part of the cycle we are in... 1000km from where I live yesterday it was snowing... 500km away they are on the beach... and where I live at this point I would have gone to the beach several times but the cold and the sea winter continues... our climate has become more tropical...

Sure, cycles have definitely happened happened throughout history and there is carbon evidence in tree rings, glacial ice, volcanic rock, coral, and elsewhere to support climate and temperature ebbs and flows through many thousands of years. However, coming out of the ice age it took about 5,000 years for the planet to warm 5-7 degrees. The planet is currently predicted to warm this much over the next century. That doesn’t seem normal or like a cycle to me. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

Well how did the earth possibly warm up without humans burning fossil fuels? Something is rotten indeed. Was someone paying extra in carbon taxes to slow it down or something?

[AyAyRon]

Sure, cycles have definitely happened happened throughout history and there is carbon evidence in tree rings, glacial ice, volcanic rock, coral, and elsewhere to support climate and temperature ebbs and flows through many thousands of years. However, coming out of the ice age it took about 5,000 years for the planet to warm 5-7 degrees. The planet is currently predicted to warm this much over the next century. That doesn’t seem normal or like a cycle to me. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

I don't like it when they want to sell me things and make me spend my money with the excuse of climate change, but human action on warming is undeniable. Just seeing each car emitting that smoke or each bar emitting smoke from the kitchens... it is totally destructive... and these are only the small things...

Totally agree. Coincidentally, it’s those same handful of nihilistic corporate sellers that are primarily responsible for human driven change rather than the drop in the bucket things you mention. But thus is life in late stage dystopian capitalism where corporations are given superhuman rights and authority by our governments to fuck over the actual humans that live on and inhabit our planet. Fuck them, fuck our governments. Rant over, back to snowboarding.

I'm a little surprised you left out all those greedy awful humans that want energy to heat their homes, to have their food grown and shipped to stores so they can purchase it, to transport themselves and everything they need around the countryside, to fly them to vacations, to manufacture all the stuff we need (and don't need). C'mon, spread the hate around a bit.

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you feeling better this morning, @AyAyRon ?

[C.Fuzzy]

Im sure this is in direct response to the shitty winter experienced by many regions this year. I'm not sure there is a definite trend of shitty winters or not, after a three decades of living in the mountains i can't see any linear trend. There was a series of shitty winters in the 90's, 2000s, 2010's. People have short memories.

Perhaps other regions aren't seeing it in terms of snowfall, but in the midwest it's a pretty clear trend. Over the last 50 years the growing season has extended as frost patterns have shifted and the planting or growing zones have moved as it's warmer for longer further north. Winter starts later, ends earlier, temps are warmer and our snowfall is down. Though, if you look at precipitation (instead of actual snowfall) the totals look similar to historic averages, but now that precip is now coming as rain or mixed instead of as snow. It's measured and documented.

As a kid I can recall blizzards so bad people would get lost and die walking just a few yards to their cars. We could ride our snowmobiles from county to county all winter long. Farmers would put up miles of snow fences. We'd get "Alberta Clippers" coming though the region on a regular basis that would bring subzero temps for weeks at a time.

None of that happens anymore. Many of our snowmobile trails don't even open. Guys trailer their sleds further and further north just to ride.

I can recall 30 years ago when I was in high school they would plow snow into 20+ feet high piles in the school parking lot and then they'd come with big loaders and put it into dump trucks to take it away to make room for more snow. They'd dump it into fields like a garbage dump of snow mounds, and they'd put huge piles at the local sledding park and we'd make jumps out of it. Ski hills would normally be open by mid November, sometimes even late October, with natural snow.

Now there are no massive snow piles in parking lots, no loaders regularly taking it away, and these days our ski hills need to make artificial snow just to open at all. This isn't like a bad year or two. We haven't had what I would even consider a 'good' winter for over a decade.

Another anecdotal is there's a little bay in Copper Harbor which is at the very tip of the Keweenaw peninsula in Upper Michigan. The Keweenaw sticks out like a finger into the center of Lake Superior, the deepest and coldest of the great lakes. A lake with water so cold that it's usually only a little above freezing, and even in the dead heat of summer the shore water temps might get up to between 50 and 60 degrees. It's pretty uncomfortable even at it's warmest. So this little bay is maybe 2 miles long and 1/2 wide, and pretty small, sitting out into the middle of this cold cold lake, and it hasn't frozen over solid in several years. I mean, to me this is like, almost unfathomable.

There's more too. I could go on. And I don't know if it's normal climate shifts or not. I'm looking at a few decades, not hundreds or thousands of years. But it doesn't matter. But both the data and the experience is saying the same thing... shit's different.

I always think it's a bit short sighted and perhaps narcissistic to think one human's or even one generations perspective on how the weather has changed reflects an actual trend in the climate. Who's to say your kids won't have a completely opposite experience? When has the weather patterns ever been static and unchanging? How long did the depression drought last?

I get it, but this isn't an discussion or argument I'm interested in. I have a bachelor of science for which I completed with a focus in geology and I'm well aware of the long-term perspectives on this from professors that were working professionally (not just academically) in several fields including new petroleum discovery for big oil. I have heard from all sides from those that have boots on the ground and are 'inside' the science (vs just using data as talking points). And while all that was done a good 15 years ago at this point, none the less I believe I'm educated and informed on this without any political bend or agenda. And for that reason I specifically avoided treading into a narrative which seems to be only discussed by the polarizing political position. We all have our opinions but we'll all likely be dead and gone before anyone gets to definitively stroke their egos.

That said, my experience isn't narcissistic. It's just real in a way that I wish it wasn't.

[scrub]

Has anyone ridden a Deep Thinker from the last two seasons and can compare with the previous version? My 154 from 2021 is getting beat and I was thinking about grabbing last seasons one in 157.

[SJF_NH]

I'm not sure how they would compare to a 2021, but I've been told by a reliable Burton guy that the current Chinese-built Deep Thinkers are about a notch softer than previous years (I'm not sure which year they starting building these in China).

And I don't remember which year it was but I had a late-release Keith Herring graphic Deep Thinker a few years back and that particular board was crazy stiff. I liked the board a lot but would have liked it better if it was softer (not that this helps you...)

[scrub]

Mine is pretty stiff too and I’ve always thought that a hair softer would have been perfect.