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AyAyRon wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 11:16 am Im sure this is in direct response to the shitty winter experienced by many regions this year. I'm not sure there is a definite trend of shitty winters or not, after a three decades of living in the mountains i can't see any linear trend. There was a series of shitty winters in the 90's, 2000s, 2010's. People have short memories.
Perhaps other regions aren't seeing it in terms of snowfall, but in the midwest it's a pretty clear trend. Over the last 50 years the growing season has extended as frost patterns have shifted and the planting or growing zones have moved as it's warmer for longer further north. Winter starts later, ends earlier, temps are warmer and our snowfall is down. Though, if you look at precipitation (instead of actual snowfall) the totals look similar to historic averages, but now that precip is now coming as rain or mixed instead of as snow. It's measured and documented.

As a kid I can recall blizzards so bad people would get lost and die walking just a few yards to their cars. We could ride our snowmobiles from county to county all winter long. Farmers would put up miles of snow fences. We'd get "Alberta Clippers" coming though the region on a regular basis that would bring subzero temps for weeks at a time.

None of that happens anymore. Many of our snowmobile trails don't even open. Guys trailer their sleds further and further north just to ride.

I can recall 30 years ago when I was in high school they would plow snow into 20+ feet high piles in the school parking lot and then they'd come with big loaders and put it into dump trucks to take it away to make room for more snow. They'd dump it into fields like a garbage dump of snow mounds, and they'd put huge piles at the local sledding park and we'd make jumps out of it. Ski hills would normally be open by mid November, sometimes even late October, with natural snow.

Now there are no massive snow piles in parking lots, no loaders regularly taking it away, and these days our ski hills need to make artificial snow just to open at all. This isn't like a bad year or two. We haven't had what I would even consider a 'good' winter for over a decade.

Another anecdotal is there's a little bay in Copper Harbor which is at the very tip of the Keweenaw peninsula in Upper Michigan. The Keweenaw sticks out like a finger into the center of Lake Superior, the deepest and coldest of the great lakes. A lake with water so cold that it's usually only a little above freezing, and even in the dead heat of summer the shore water temps might get up to between 50 and 60 degrees. It's pretty uncomfortable even at it's warmest. So this little bay is maybe 2 miles long and 1/2 wide, and pretty small, sitting out into the middle of this cold cold lake, and it hasn't frozen over solid in several years. I mean, to me this is like, almost unfathomable.

There's more too. I could go on. And I don't know if it's normal climate shifts or not. I'm looking at a few decades, not hundreds or thousands of years. But it doesn't matter. But both the data and the experience is saying the same thing... shit's different.
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Damn, this thread took a dark turn! 💀
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They say they are “cycles”… the European Renaissance appeared due to climate change, the heat favored the crops, there was food and the rich “lords” like the “medici” in Italy were richer and could have painters under their wing who would become illustrious…

and then here is human action bombarding the behavior of the cycles or directly destroying them completely

What we don't know now is what part of the cycle we are in... 1000km from where I live yesterday it was snowing... 500km away they are on the beach... and where I live at this point I would have gone to the beach several times but the cold and the sea winter continues... our climate has become more tropical...
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Burton the artist series

recovering a little joy in this thread
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jota wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 4:34 pm They say they are “cycles”… the European Renaissance appeared due to climate change, the heat favored the crops, there was food and the rich “lords” like the “medici” in Italy were richer and could have painters under their wing who would become illustrious…

What we don't know now is what part of the cycle we are in... 1000km from where I live yesterday it was snowing... 500km away they are on the beach... and where I live at this point I would have gone to the beach several times but the cold and the sea winter continues... our climate has become more tropical...
Sure, cycles have definitely happened happened throughout history and there is carbon evidence in tree rings, glacial ice, volcanic rock, coral, and elsewhere to support climate and temperature ebbs and flows through many thousands of years. However, coming out of the ice age it took about 5,000 years for the planet to warm 5-7 degrees. The planet is currently predicted to warm this much over the next century. That doesn’t seem normal or like a cycle to me. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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jota wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 4:44 pm Burton the artist series

recovering a little joy in this thread
https://www.burton.com/us/en/p/burton-a ... 42601.html
That looks super dope. Kinda like a Keith Herring/Gonz mashup and it’s on a modern shape that people would actually want to ride.
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There’s a lot going on industry wide, it’s not just B.

I know multiple people that run brands and almost all of them had told their factories to expect a 10-20% reduction in orders for this coming/current production cycle. One individual who runs a big brand actually called some retailers after they turned in their orders and told them to pump the breaks and they ( brand ) was going to cut the retailers order by 10%. There’s enough people in the industry that made it through the Great Recession that don’t want to repeat those mistakes. Which is fucking smart TBH.
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Msteff wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 6:10 pm
jota wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 4:34 pm They say they are “cycles”… the European Renaissance appeared due to climate change, the heat favored the crops, there was food and the rich “lords” like the “medici” in Italy were richer and could have painters under their wing who would become illustrious…

What we don't know now is what part of the cycle we are in... 1000km from where I live yesterday it was snowing... 500km away they are on the beach... and where I live at this point I would have gone to the beach several times but the cold and the sea winter continues... our climate has become more tropical...
Sure, cycles have definitely happened happened throughout history and there is carbon evidence in tree rings, glacial ice, volcanic rock, coral, and elsewhere to support climate and temperature ebbs and flows through many thousands of years. However, coming out of the ice age it took about 5,000 years for the planet to warm 5-7 degrees. The planet is currently predicted to warm this much over the next century. That doesn’t seem normal or like a cycle to me. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
I don't like it when they want to sell me things and make me spend my money with the excuse of climate change, but human action on warming is undeniable. Just seeing each car emitting that smoke or each bar emitting smoke from the kitchens... it is totally destructive... and these are only the small things...
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pow_hnd wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 10:51 pm There’s a lot going on industry wide, it’s not just B.

I know multiple people that run brands and almost all of them had told their factories to except a 10-20% reduction in orders for this coming/current production cycle. One individual who runs a big brand actually called some retailers after they turned in their orders and told them to pump the breaks and they ( brand ) was going to cut the retailers order by 10%. There’s enough people in the industry that made it through the Great Recession that don’t want to repeat those mistakes. Which is fucking smart TBH.
Yup, this has less to do with Burton and more to do with the state of the industry as a whole.
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jota wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 12:18 am
Msteff wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 6:10 pm
jota wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 4:34 pm They say they are “cycles”… the European Renaissance appeared due to climate change, the heat favored the crops, there was food and the rich “lords” like the “medici” in Italy were richer and could have painters under their wing who would become illustrious…

What we don't know now is what part of the cycle we are in... 1000km from where I live yesterday it was snowing... 500km away they are on the beach... and where I live at this point I would have gone to the beach several times but the cold and the sea winter continues... our climate has become more tropical...
Sure, cycles have definitely happened happened throughout history and there is carbon evidence in tree rings, glacial ice, volcanic rock, coral, and elsewhere to support climate and temperature ebbs and flows through many thousands of years. However, coming out of the ice age it took about 5,000 years for the planet to warm 5-7 degrees. The planet is currently predicted to warm this much over the next century. That doesn’t seem normal or like a cycle to me. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
I don't like it when they want to sell me things and make me spend my money with the excuse of climate change, but human action on warming is undeniable. Just seeing each car emitting that smoke or each bar emitting smoke from the kitchens... it is totally destructive... and these are only the small things...
Totally agree. Coincidentally, it’s those same handful of nihilistic corporate sellers that are primarily responsible for human driven change rather than the drop in the bucket things you mention. But thus is life in late stage dystopian capitalism where corporations are given superhuman rights and authority by our governments to fuck over the actual humans that live on and inhabit our planet. Fuck them, fuck our governments. Rant over, back to snowboarding.
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