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[casjcade]

Think it's a pretty subsidised industry for now, and probably limited production capacity, but I've seen park benches and stuff last like 10 years from this recycled cardboard turned chipboard or something, if that's what it was.

[kieloa]

$139: https://k2snow.com/en-us/p/k2-tree-spli ... board-2024

"But ours is made out of compressed paper!"

Yes, that's literally wood with extra steps. Imagine going through the paper making process, then gluing it all together and compressing it, then acting like that's better than just using a piece of wood to start.

So you are compairing Tree Splitter to it?

Tree Splitter is 199€ without discount in Finland.
Paper Surf No. 1 is 399€.

Tree Splitter is just wood plank with some rocker in tail and nose.
Paper Surfer has concaved profile and propably way more engineering behind it.

I haven't ridden neither, but I bet Paper Surf rides waaaay better.

[eleveneightnate]

$139: https://k2snow.com/en-us/p/k2-tree-spli ... board-2024

"But ours is made out of compressed paper!"

Yes, that's literally wood with extra steps. Imagine going through the paper making process, then gluing it all together and compressing it, then acting like that's better than just using a piece of wood to start.

So you are compairing Tree Splitter to it?

Tree Splitter is 199€ without discount in Finland.
Paper Surf No. 1 is 399€.

Tree Splitter is just wood plank with some rocker in tail and nose.
Paper Surfer has concaved profile and propably way more engineering behind it.

I haven't ridden neither, but I bet Paper Surf rides waaaay better.

Yes, I am, because A) I can buy 3 or 4 Tree Splitters on sale for the price of these paper boards and B) pow surfing is a novelty thing so it doesn't really matter anyway.

[kieloa]

$139: https://k2snow.com/en-us/p/k2-tree-spli ... board-2024

"But ours is made out of compressed paper!"

Yes, that's literally wood with extra steps. Imagine going through the paper making process, then gluing it all together and compressing it, then acting like that's better than just using a piece of wood to start.

So you are compairing Tree Splitter to it?

Tree Splitter is 199€ without discount in Finland.
Paper Surf No. 1 is 399€.

Tree Splitter is just wood plank with some rocker in tail and nose.
Paper Surfer has concaved profile and propably way more engineering behind it.

I haven't ridden neither, but I bet Paper Surf rides waaaay better.

Yes, I am, because A) I can buy 3 or 4 Tree Splitters on sale for the price of these paper boards and B) pow surfing is a novelty thing so it doesn't really matter anyway.

So Tree Splitter is 3 or 4 times better than Burton Backseat Driver too? I can see your logic now..

[eleveneightnate]

So you are compairing Tree Splitter to it?

Tree Splitter is 199€ without discount in Finland.
Paper Surf No. 1 is 399€.

Tree Splitter is just wood plank with some rocker in tail and nose.
Paper Surfer has concaved profile and propably way more engineering behind it.

I haven't ridden neither, but I bet Paper Surf rides waaaay better.

Yes, I am, because A) I can buy 3 or 4 Tree Splitters on sale for the price of these paper boards and B) pow surfing is a novelty thing so it doesn't really matter anyway.

So Tree Splitter is 3 or 4 times better than Burton Backseat Driver too? I can see your logic now..

They're pow surfers... they're all just for novelty. Not sure why you're getting offended about me not being impressed by a $650 ream of paper.

[kieloa]

Yes, I am, because A) I can buy 3 or 4 Tree Splitters on sale for the price of these paper boards and B) pow surfing is a novelty thing so it doesn't really matter anyway.

So Tree Splitter is 3 or 4 times better than Burton Backseat Driver too? I can see your logic now..

They're pow surfers... they're all just for novelty. Not sure why you're getting offended about me not being impressed by a $650 ream of paper.

Not offended at all, you do you. That comparison just seemed funny, so I had to ask.

[Spenser]

I don't disagree with the novelty point, but the select few who can really rip on them definitely live way outside of "novelty." A good local friend rides for shark, and is better on them than most snowboarders

Eco/recycled is cool and all, if it's not just at face value... but it would also make sense for it to be financially accessible.

[jota]

Holy Christmas Ham and Cranberries ... you can get a Backseat driver with a real wood core, ptex base, and metal edges for 1/2 that. Or less, if you wait for a sale.

The "eco" part of those paper ones is only the raw material byproduct they "saved" from other processes that are not-eco friendly. That's like maybe 1% of the total cost inputs. The 99% stays the same. The factory, the machines and their materials (metal, oil, etc), the energy to run the factory, the harvesting (loss of habitat, rainforrest, or old growth), the processing and shipping of the material (timber to lumber to whatever was made from it to create sawdust), the shipping of the end manufactured goods, the inputs to the storefronts that sell it, etc. etc. etc are all the same.

Meanwhile, we may be ignoring that those paper ones will likely not have the useful longevity of other ones, and thus, there are hidden cost inputs that may outweigh the saved ones because of the duplication or multiplication of them.

totally agree with everything

[tracer]

fashionistas be all about that alpine lifestyle look rn

Just to point out here for those who may not know this (and not a comment at you @coleslawed fine sir) :

"Fragment" is Fujiwara Hiroshi, who is part of the team that does AK457.
His core business seems to be slapping that logo on all kinds of stuff.

[C.Fuzzy]

fashionistas be all about that alpine lifestyle look rn

Just to point out here for those who may not know this (and not a comment at you @coleslawed fine sir) :

"Fragment" is Fujiwara Hiroshi, who is part of the team that does AK457.
His core business seems to be slapping that logo on all kinds of stuff.

It's good work if you can get it. Also what like 70% of bands are these days.