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C.Fuzzy wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:17 am Question of curiosity: the majority of bindings adjust the length at the toe end. With this the heel of the boot always sits on the baseplate the same, but the toe end can move out to accommodate a longer boot. In a sense there shouldn't be boot overhang on the heel or toe.

On unions you adjust the length with the heelcup. Since you can't adjust the tray towards the heel, there's going to be more heel overhang on the footbed as you move the heelcup back.

Does boot overhang really only matter on the toe edge then?

Is there any benefit to the heelcup adjustment vs. The tray adjustment that every other brand does?

I have a size foot that I never have to worry about this, so I genuinely don't know.

The Union way is better IMO. It actually changes your boot's position over the footbed and in relation to the disc to help get centered on board vs an adjustable toe ramp that just fills the space you get from large boots overhanging toeside. Also worth noting that some Unions (like the Force) have both adjustable heelcups and toe ramps, so you get the best of everything.

I can see where your thought process is coming from, but you're only going to get too much heel overhang vs toe (on binding and board) if you're unnecessarily moving the heelcup back. You can adjust the tray by using the disk like any other binding, but it shouldn't be necessary with the adjustable heelcup.

The point of an adjustable heelcup is that you won't have to use the disk to move the binding itself… so the tray stays relatively centered over the board regardless of boot size, and then you center your boot over the board with the heelcup, which then means it's also centered over the binding. If one can't achieve that, most likely the binding is the wrong size.

Ultimately their toe ramp is a preference thing to micro adjust matching the curve of the boot, but doesn't affect tray length.

With something like Burton where you might have to offset the tray to center your boot over the edge, your boot might not be totally centered over the disk, but I doubt it matters in those increments. Their toe ramp makes contact with the topsheet unlike union, so it's effectively adjusting the length of the tray itself. You might not technically be centered over the disc, but you can be centered over the effective tray & board.

Ahhhh... okay. Understood.

Unions adjustments are both ways to center the binding to the board and then boot to the disc.

If everything is sized and set up correctly it's a non-issue.

Like Nate said, it's a great adjustability system.

I had a pair of Rome 390 boss years ago, and while I like adjustability and am good at dialing everything in, those things were crazy. Union's original design is super simple and functional, and you can be centered over everything together - board, tray, and disc, plus matching toe ramp to boot shape - and still be able to micro-adjust stance width/setback with the disk.

It's a game changer for me in 10.5s where I'm always right on the line of M/L.

C.Fuzzy wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:17 am Question of curiosity: the majority of bindings adjust the length at the toe end. With this the heel of the boot always sits on the baseplate the same, but the toe end can move out to accommodate a longer boot. In a sense there shouldn't be boot overhang on the heel or toe.

On unions you adjust the length with the heelcup. Since you can't adjust the tray towards the heel, there's going to be more heel overhang on the footbed as you move the heelcup back.

Does boot overhang really only matter on the toe edge then?

Is there any benefit to the heelcup adjustment vs. The tray adjustment that every other brand does?

I have a size foot that I never have to worry about this, so I genuinely don't know.

i center my boot toe/heel with the heelcup. that leaves the slots in the disks for adjusting stance width.

eleveneightnate wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:10 am It's a game changer for me in 10.5s where I'm always right on the line of M/L.

same boat but different. im on the S/M line.

So after two days on the Unions and got everything dialed in, Large works perfectly for my sz 10 DC boot.

In my case, I am 8us and I am always at the S end, lengthening the gas pedal, the asymmetry of the points that generate pressure on the board in full turn is very evident

I wonder if any brand has studied or experimented with an adaptable binding that could approach symmetry at the pressure points. I suppose that would be more important than the size adjustment at the heel or the toes…

I took the photo in this one because it is the narrowest one I have…

I thought Now did a pretty good job of addressing the pressure issue with the interchangeable bushings. I have buddies who’d mix and match to compensate for the differences in toe and heel pressure.

has anyone with experience with the new falcor been able to compare the baseplate size to a strata or atlas? Is it smaller like the ultra or closer to the size of the strata?