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how much is it in the states?

https://shreddingtonsnow.com/products/h ... 14c-to-11c

60€ for 141g in finland

Blessed420 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 9:56 pm how much is it in the states?

https://shreddingtonsnow.com/products/h ... 14c-to-11c

60€ for 141g in finland

Holy fuck that's expensive. I can get a 340 g bar direct from Hertel for $25 USD (~23€ at today's exchange rate). That's ~6x as expensive per gram.

pow_hnd wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:29 pm

casjcade wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:47 am

jota wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 3:56 am Before, fluoride wax was the best. Now if you use wax with fluoride you are the number 1 enemy of the environment... it is difficult here to get hertel... and here we have vola, toko, swix...
any great waxes in Europe?

Datawax has some nice stuff.

I can ship you Hertel if you want.

Looks like Hertel.eu and Amazon ships to Europe. Been reading up some on it. Seems Hertel would be a good base cleaning wax because of some detergent additives (?), and they use a different, maybe cheaper fluor source, so it’s cheaper all round? Dunno if that’s «low enough» fluor or if that’s all out the window now.

I bough some blocks a few years ago, so I’m good on the wax bit at least.

usually i only use swix or something like that, its usually 15€ for 180g.

casjcade wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:54 am

pow_hnd wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:29 pm

casjcade wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:47 am
Datawax has some nice stuff.

I can ship you Hertel if you want.

Looks like Hertel.eu and Amazon ships to Europe. Been reading up some on it. Seems Hertel would be a good base cleaning wax because of some detergent additives (?), and they use a different, maybe cheaper fluor source, so it’s cheaper all round? Dunno if that’s «low enough» fluor or if that’s all out the window now.

I bough some blocks a few years ago, so I’m good on the wax bit at least.

There are no detergent additives in Hertel. It's surfactants which is different. Don't waste it cleaning your base. Racing 739 became fluoro-free 3 years ago.

Supra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:25 pm

casjcade wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:54 am

pow_hnd wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:29 pm

I can ship you Hertel if you want.

Looks like Hertel.eu and Amazon ships to Europe. Been reading up some on it. Seems Hertel would be a good base cleaning wax because of some detergent additives (?), and they use a different, maybe cheaper fluor source, so it’s cheaper all round? Dunno if that’s «low enough» fluor or if that’s all out the window now.

I bough some blocks a few years ago, so I’m good on the wax bit at least.

There are no detergent additives in Hertel. It's surfactants which is different. Don't waste it cleaning your base. Racing 739 became fluoro-free 3 years ago.

By «cleaning» it’s really just a new layer of wax:p Don’t see that as a waste, and surfactants seem to be the main ingredient in detergents. Is the replacement for fluor secret stuff? Hertel seems to work for very wet snow, graphite for allround anything, but I probably have fluor in the blocks that will last me forever.

Supra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 6:25 pm

casjcade wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2023 1:54 am

pow_hnd wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2023 7:29 pm

I can ship you Hertel if you want.

Looks like Hertel.eu and Amazon ships to Europe. Been reading up some on it. Seems Hertel would be a good base cleaning wax because of some detergent additives (?), and they use a different, maybe cheaper fluor source, so it’s cheaper all round? Dunno if that’s «low enough» fluor or if that’s all out the window now.

I bough some blocks a few years ago, so I’m good on the wax bit at least.

There are no detergent additives in Hertel. It's surfactants which is different. Don't waste it cleaning your base. Racing 739 became fluoro-free 3 years ago.

Thanks guys for the answers.
My idea is to do tests with natural waxes and others without fluoride to see how they work for me. Many people say that natural waxes don't work well... but I want to try it

Thanks @pow_hnd I'm thinking not now but I'll probably let you know later and you could send me different American waxes so I can try them.
In Europe on Amazon Hertel 340gr is €70… and Wend and others are not available…

On the other hand, I believe that the issue of fluoride or additives perhaps is like food and other things, that marketing focuses on explaining to you what it eliminates so that you believe it is better, but it does not really tell you what it is using to compensate that product that you have eliminated and, which is sometimes worse

does Monocera do something exceptional with their tunes, always see something about them

benjinyc wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 6:58 pm does Monocera do something exceptional with their tunes, always see something about them

Probably some combo of:

• Ryan’s really good at his job.
• Snowboarders good at his job are rare (similar to how finding snowboard boot fitters is impossible), so he’s the comp rider go-to.
• Ryan’s very good at relationship building + good at his job, and word of mouth spread.

I finished Jamie Anderson’s new video project, and Ryan’s the first “thank you” after family and husband (!!!).
I took a look at their website, their prices are pretty reasonable. Maybe 15-20% more than what I’m used to paying ($120 for a full tune with a stone grind). Main differentiator is they’ll have add-on for hot box wax sessions which I’ve never seen at a Tahoe shop other than ski race shops.

Maybe this is your startup idea, ask to be their monocera west outpost