The boot thread

[Msteff]

I have never not had heel lift in any pair of burtons I’ve owned. For me, the problem with burtons has always been the shape of the liner. The heel pocket is too high and wide for the shape of my ankle. I used to do all sorts of things to “fix” this. 1) using boot fitting foam to effectively extend/lower the heel pocket lower. Not the best as it just feels weird. But it does help with hold. 2) using a wedge under my footbed to bring my heel/ankle up. Didn’t like this as it felt like I was on high heels and pulled my toes back from the toe box more than I would like. 3) on speed zone crank the upper zone really tight so my angle had no where to go. Didn’t like this as it was somewhat painful and made the boot ride stiffer than I wanted (I like really soft boots). 4) on laces I used hiking knots to create a locking system around the heel on the shell of the boot. This was probably the most helpful. 5) best solution was abandoning Burton boots all together. I’ve tried a bunch of other brands all of which fit better, but my Goldilocks is adidas liners (gold is best) in vans shells.

[jota]

I have never not had heel lift in any pair of burtons I’ve owned. For me, the problem with burtons has always been the shape of the liner. The heel pocket is too high and wide for the shape of my ankle. I used to do all sorts of things to “fix” this. 1) using boot fitting foam to effectively extend/lower the heel pocket lower. Not the best as it just feels weird. But it does help with hold. 2) using a wedge under my footbed to bring my heel/ankle up. Didn’t like this as it felt like I was on high heels and pulled my toes back from the toe box more than I would like. 3) on speed zone crank the upper zone really tight so my angle had no where to go. Didn’t like this as it was somewhat painful and made the boot ride stiffer than I wanted (I like really soft boots). 4) on laces I used hiking knots to create a locking system around the heel on the shell of the boot. This was probably the most helpful. 5) best solution was abandoning Burton boots all together. I’ve tried a bunch of other brands all of which fit better, but my Goldilocks is adidas liners (gold is best) in vans shells.

I left B and switched to vans infuse and everything changed. I couldn't believe it. My heel doesn't move !!! even with the boots loose, but in this case it's about test step on. It took me 5 years to not go back to the B boots. I also tried the wedges and nothing.. the B liners is not for us

[Jean77]

I have never not had heel lift in any pair of burtons I’ve owned. For me, the problem with burtons has always been the shape of the liner. The heel pocket is too high and wide for the shape of my ankle. I used to do all sorts of things to “fix” this. 1) using boot fitting foam to effectively extend/lower the heel pocket lower. Not the best as it just feels weird. But it does help with hold. 2) using a wedge under my footbed to bring my heel/ankle up. Didn’t like this as it felt like I was on high heels and pulled my toes back from the toe box more than I would like. 3) on speed zone crank the upper zone really tight so my angle had no where to go. Didn’t like this as it was somewhat painful and made the boot ride stiffer than I wanted (I like really soft boots). 4) on laces I used hiking knots to create a locking system around the heel on the shell of the boot. This was probably the most helpful. 5) best solution was abandoning Burton boots all together. I’ve tried a bunch of other brands all of which fit better, but my Goldilocks is adidas liners (gold is best) in vans shells.

I left B and switched to vans infuse and everything changed. I couldn't believe it. My heel doesn't move !!! even with the boots loose, but in this case it's about test step on. It took me 5 years to not go back to the B boots. I also tried the wedges and nothing.. the B liners is not for us

Vans will come with step on boots, atleast that's what they are saying

[Msteff]

Makes sense for them. They don’t even make the shell that I like anymore though. I’ve been riding the same pair of old shells for like 6-7 years and stocked up on some dead stock. I like the old vans high standard pros/v66 before they made the switch to the current model. The old ones have a really simple but elegant lacing solution where the laces essentially loop way back into the heel of the shell through this loop harness and then back out again. This is independent from the internal liner harness and sucks your heel back into the boot and provides great hold around the ankle while allowing the bottom and top sections of the shell to remain tied loose. It is also a soft boot, if you’re into that kind of thing (I am, haha). The other key for me are the adidas liners, been said before, but they’re great for people with v shaped feet (narrow heel/wider forefoot). I also use the thinnest footprint insoles (I love them, others for sure do not), which combined with the minimal sole of the vans provides great board feel. No real desire to go with Stepons for me, yet. Maybe once I get even older (already in my 40s). Current boots that interest me, taros, infuse snow surf, and maybe invado/invado pro

[MarkusM]

My K2 Overdraft boots after 8 or 9 days of riding.

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bonus is my swolen burnt sausage thumb

[MarkusM]

Makes sense for them. They don’t even make the shell that I like anymore though. I’ve been riding the same pair of old shells for like 6-7 years and stocked up on some dead stock. I like the old vans high standard pros/v66 before they made the switch to the current model. The old ones have a really simple but elegant lacing solution where the laces essentially loop way back into the heel of the shell through this loop harness and then back out again. This is independent from the internal liner harness and sucks your heel back into the boot and provides great hold around the ankle while allowing the bottom and top sections of the shell to remain tied loose. It is also a soft boot, if you’re into that kind of thing (I am, haha). The other key for me are the adidas liners, been said before, but they’re great for people with v shaped feet (narrow heel/wider forefoot). I also use the thinnest footprint insoles (I love them, others for sure do not), which combined with the minimal sole of the vans provides great board feel. No real desire to go with Stepons for me, yet. Maybe once I get even older (already in my 40s). Current boots that interest me, taros, infuse snow surf, and maybe invado/invado pro

softer boot enjoyer aswell.
i was looking for the Deluxe areth rin before pulling the trigger on the k2 overdrafts,
but i could not find the areth rins in my size anywhere that shipped to swe.
its supposedly a softer boot with regular lace and ankle boa and articulating cuff.
i dont see the point of the boa but it seems to be a way to have more "tech" and charge more.
the ankle boa of the overdrafts just feel like a marginaly better internal liner lacing.
my old infuse i think they had the boa outside of the tounge on the shell.
it just made a pressure point for me and felt like trash so didnt realy use it.

[Jean77]

Makes sense for them. They don’t even make the shell that I like anymore though. I’ve been riding the same pair of old shells for like 6-7 years and stocked up on some dead stock. I like the old vans high standard pros/v66 before they made the switch to the current model. The old ones have a really simple but elegant lacing solution where the laces essentially loop way back into the heel of the shell through this loop harness and then back out again. This is independent from the internal liner harness and sucks your heel back into the boot and provides great hold around the ankle while allowing the bottom and top sections of the shell to remain tied loose. It is also a soft boot, if you’re into that kind of thing (I am, haha). The other key for me are the adidas liners, been said before, but they’re great for people with v shaped feet (narrow heel/wider forefoot). I also use the thinnest footprint insoles (I love them, others for sure do not), which combined with the minimal sole of the vans provides great board feel. No real desire to go with Stepons for me, yet. Maybe once I get even older (already in my 40s). Current boots that interest me, taros, infuse snow surf, and maybe invado/invado pro

softer boot enjoyer aswell.
i was looking for the Deluxe areth rin before pulling the trigger on the k2 overdrafts,
but i could not find the areth rins in my size anywhere that shipped to swe.
its supposedly a softer boot with regular lace and ankle boa and articulating cuff.
i dont see the point of the boa but it seems to be a way to have more "tech" and charge more.
the ankle boa of the overdrafts just feel like a marginaly better internal liner lacing.
my old infuse i think they had the boa outside of the tounge on the shell.
it just made a pressure point for me and felt like trash so didnt realy use it.

I use the Areth Rin, love it for a soft boot!
If you are having problems finding them in Sweden, I live in Belgium and can get them send to you. Have shipped to Sweden multiple times.

Let me know

[MarkusM]

softer boot enjoyer aswell.
i was looking for the Deluxe areth rin before pulling the trigger on the k2 overdrafts,
but i could not find the areth rins in my size anywhere that shipped to swe.
its supposedly a softer boot with regular lace and ankle boa and articulating cuff.
i dont see the point of the boa but it seems to be a way to have more "tech" and charge more.
the ankle boa of the overdrafts just feel like a marginaly better internal liner lacing.
my old infuse i think they had the boa outside of the tounge on the shell.
it just made a pressure point for me and felt like trash so didnt realy use it.

I use the Areth Rin, love it for a soft boot!
If you are having problems finding them in Sweden, I live in Belgium and can get them send to you. Have shipped to Sweden multiple times.

Let me know

Yay that sounds great!
gona see what the shop says about warranty first.

[Msteff]

Yeah, I find the external boa on the tongue minimally helpful most of the time. I think that in that application there is just so much material between the heel pocket and the boa that to have any effect you really have to crank the boa and it causes both a pressure point and goes over the main artery on your foot which cuts off circulation and therefore keeps your feet cold. Either ride or K2 had at one point had a boa that was internally built into the tongue rather than sat on top and it sucked the tongue back and down rather than pressured it down from the top. That seemed like a cool idea.

I’ve tried the arethrin on. It felt good in the store (potential kiss of death for how it feels when riding, haha) roomy toe box, decent heel pocket, not crazy soft out of the box. I’d say mid, but will get softer over time. I remember it being surprisingly heavy, not that it matters. I’d definitely consider it as an option.

Don’t know your size, but Rodgers carries deelux and has the arenthrin in stock. Good people there, not sure about their shipping policies. http://rodgersskiandsport.com/

[pow_hnd]

I'm in the softer boot, med flex fam as well. I have hard to fit feet and the stiffer any boot is the harder it's gonna be to get it to fit one perfectly. Stiff shells and liners aren't exactly conforming even when heat moldable.

I am really looking forward to the new Union T-Rice boot as I expect, from conversations with people fully in the know, is that the boot will again be a pretty middle of the road on the flex scale.