I hate that, it was the first thing I noticed when I tried them out on the carpet. Is it noticeable on snow?
Way more locked in than standard bindings on snow for me and my riding partners, but your mileage may vary. The fact that Mark Fawcett rides them should tell you what you need to know IMO.
Re: Check out my new...
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:57 pm
by alex
casjcade wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:20 pm
The only way I see it working is if you crank the forward lean on a stiff boot, and take out all the slack from the "footroll feature" design flaw.
I do not know what do you mean by "footroll feature" design flaw, but I definitely recommend to crank the forward lean on step on for anyone trying the system, before rejecting it. IME it works much better with forward lean.
If you mean the feature that heel can lift, because heel clip connecting mechanism is not firmly connected to the base plate but designed to move, I remember Burton telling how much resources and time they spend to design this, so it is not a design flaw. Apparently no one liked it, if heel is firmly connected to the base plate and cannot move, as opposite of strap bindings. Personally I prefer if step on will be even less similar to normal bindings, but I know I am in minority on that.
IME soft boots work much better with step ons, than with normal bindings, if you require maximum precision and control. If you require maximum "softness" - probably opposite is correct.
I hate that, it was the first thing I noticed when I tried them out on the carpet. Is it noticeable on snow?
For me it's the dealbreaker, really noticable. It's not that there's some progressive give, there's an undefined slack. Ever tried driving a car with a steering wheel like that? Besides that, it seemed nice.
I hate that, it was the first thing I noticed when I tried them out on the carpet. Is it noticeable on snow?
For me it's the dealbreaker, really noticable. It's not that there's some progressive give, there's an undefined slack. Ever tried driving a car with a steering wheel like that? Besides that, it seemed nice.
Tribute guys say the same about step ons as me and @jsil, that it has less play (at least on snow), better performance, than normal bindings, not the opposite. But maybe they ride with forward lean, as myself.
I hate that, it was the first thing I noticed when I tried them out on the carpet. Is it noticeable on snow?
For me it's the dealbreaker, really noticable. It's not that there's some progressive give, there's an undefined slack. Ever tried driving a car with a steering wheel like that? Besides that, it seemed nice.
Tribute guys say the same about step ons as me and @jsil, that it has less play (at least on snow), better performance, than normal bindings, not the opposite. But maybe they ride with forward lean, as myself.
I have not used them for many reasons that I already explained, but a friend of mine compares them to automatic MTB pedals response versus platforms.
And i used to compete with platforms in DH
but then… every new season I think… what if??
and I always have all that curiosity…
But i don’t like B boots…
I hate that, it was the first thing I noticed when I tried them out on the carpet. Is it noticeable on snow?
For me it's the dealbreaker, really noticable. It's not that there's some progressive give, there's an undefined slack. Ever tried driving a car with a steering wheel like that? Besides that, it seemed nice.
On request Burton provides base plate pads to suck up some volume if there is a real issue. They also have three sizes of rear cleats. You have to request them from support, but maybe you ran into one of those issues. I have heard of them before, but never experienced them myself. It could be a combination of boot size and binding size as there is a range that fit in each one.
Re: Check out my new...
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 am
by C.Fuzzy
I'll be Stepping ON at least once this winter, so I'll find out in due time where I sit on this fur Shhure...
But my wispy expectation is step ons may be kind of like track car suspension with high responsiveness and less roll "foot roll" compared to traditional straps. There's a type a rider that is going to like that and going to be all HIGH PERFORMANCE Yo, about it. In a sense, that's what they think a snowboard should feel like.
And then, maybe on the other end of the spectrum there are riders that are going to like more flex and more give and more flow and vibe with a looser style of riding. Dare I say, a more skate style. I have a feeling that the second type of rider is not going to be 'feelin' it the same way as the first about step ons.
And then there's probably the majority of riders that aren't either, and are just 3 star turn skidders who normally sit down to strap in and think this is great because now their butt doesn't get wet, and it's more expensive so it must be better.
I'm pretty sure I'm the second type, but, I have a think that they'll have a place for me when I'm just cruisin groomers with my kids and I won't care either way. maybe.
Re: Check out my new...
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:15 am
by Msteff
As someone who does not ride step ons (Burton boots do not work for me) take this opinion with a grain of salt, but many of these issues seem to be inherent in a highly complex highly designed piece of true machinery vs. the relatively simple foot clamps we have had for the last forty years. It just seems like that is an inherent part of risk/part of riding them, sure they are more convenient, sure they may perform better but there are also more parts and therefore more potential issues.
Re: Check out my new...
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:23 am
by eleveneightnate
C.Fuzzy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:09 am
And then, maybe on the other end of the spectrum there are riders that are going to like more flex and more give and more flow and vibe with a looser style of riding. Dare I say, a more skate style. I have a feeling that the second type of rider is not going to be 'feelin' it the same way as the first about step ons.
This is basically what I'm expecting with them. I like ShadowFit and mini discs and all that "surfy" shit. Fully prepared to list everything on eBay for mega profits and wipe my hands clean of Step On haha.
IME it works much better with forward lean.
Personally I prefer if step on will be even less similar to normal bindings, but I know I am in minority on that. 
