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Re: The boot thread
Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:37 pm
by casjcade
Seems to be quite a bit of nitro in the south of chile and argentina.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:07 am
by C.Fuzzy
Anyone use those FP insoles in snowboard boots?
Curious if they're (1.) really that great, and (2) would be good in cold conditions.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 8:49 am
by casjcade
I like minimal ortholite soles, they are softer. I guess fp can take more impact, but I couldn't get them to fit properly, and they felt stiffer. Don't know about cold, in theory foam is stiffer in the cold, but you also got bodyheat and the constant movement, so I kinda doubt there's much of a difference. There are different models with different thickness, so.. I was advised to get fp insoles with arch support in the shop, because of footpain, the shopguy had been struggling with collapsed arches. Turns out I don't really need that much support, and have a high instep, so those soles only made it worse.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:01 am
by Kevington
I’ve tried the FP gamechangers in skate shoes and snowboard boots but I didn’t like them. They are hard until your foot warms them up then they (kind of) mold to your feet. Might be an issue in cold conditions that they don’t soften up . I also found the arch support to be lumpy with no proper shaping. Remind work better for me but sadly they are increasingly difficult to find in Europe.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:17 am
by C.Fuzzy
Okay. That helps. I've watched their videos and I've had experience with non-Newtonian fluid, and while for some applications perhaps they (FP Insoles) are the bomb, I'm not convinced it makes sense that it doesn't rebound...or allow energy to transfer though.
For example, if you jumped into a pool of that non-newtonian liquid like you would a pool of foam, it would fuck you up. Could even kill you. Foam absorbs energy and cushions. That's why little kids can go flip into a foam pit.
Their bowling ball test looks convincing, until I remember I'm not a solid bowling ball and I'll break if the force of my energy isn't absorbed when I make an impact on something.
But, I've also never tried them. Maybe I'm just not understanding it.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:42 am
by jclinares
casjcade wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:37 pm
Seems to be quite a bit of nitro in the south of chile and argentina.
Yeah. I didn't see as many Nitro stuff the last two years in Chile, but this time around, in Argentina, I was surprised at the amount of footprint they've got. Most shops will carry Nitro hardgoods, and there's a ton of rental stuff that's Nitro as well.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:12 am
by Kevington
C.Fuzzy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:17 am
Okay. That helps. I've watched their videos and I've had experience with non-Newtonian fluid, and while for some applications perhaps they (FP Insoles) are the bomb, I'm not convinced it makes sense that it doesn't rebound...or allow energy to transfer though.
For example, if you jumped into a pool of that non-newtonian liquid like you would a pool of foam, it would fuck you up. Could even kill you. Foam absorbs energy and cushions. That's why little kids can go flip into a foam pit.
Their bowling ball test looks convincing, until I remember I'm not a solid bowling ball and I'll break if the force of my energy isn't absorbed when I make an impact on something.
But, I've also never tried them. Maybe I'm just not understanding it.
I think they really work well for some people but to be honest I think it’s mostly just good marketing. Jaws jumping off houses on a skateboard is pretty convincing and probably why I bought them. The product IMHO is pretty poorly designed. I’m looking for support throughout the day and good energy transfer from an insole, maybe a bit of cushioning but I’m not pretending that 2mm of magic foam is going to save my old ass on a fatty to flatty. The sole of my boot and whatever is in the binding combined is waaay thicker.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2024 7:57 am
by C.Fuzzy
Kevington wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:12 am
C.Fuzzy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:17 am
Okay. That helps. I've watched their videos and I've had experience with non-Newtonian fluid, and while for some applications perhaps they (FP Insoles) are the bomb, I'm not convinced it makes sense that it doesn't rebound...or allow energy to transfer though.
For example, if you jumped into a pool of that non-newtonian liquid like you would a pool of foam, it would fuck you up. Could even kill you. Foam absorbs energy and cushions. That's why little kids can go flip into a foam pit.
Their bowling ball test looks convincing, until I remember I'm not a solid bowling ball and I'll break if the force of my energy isn't absorbed when I make an impact on something.
But, I've also never tried them. Maybe I'm just not understanding it.
I think they really work well for some people but to be honest I think it’s mostly just good marketing. Jaws jumping off houses on a skateboard is pretty convincing and probably why I bought them. The product IMHO is pretty poorly designed. I’m looking for support throughout the day and good energy transfer from an insole, maybe a bit of cushioning but I’m not pretending that 2mm of magic foam is going to save my old ass on a fatty to flatty. The sole of my boot and whatever is in the binding combined is waaay thicker.
It's good marketing. Jaws has been doing that for a while though, and could probably do it in flipflops bc he's just that guy.
But maybe I'll try em... just bc I like to scratch a good itch of curiosity.
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:29 am
by jota
Kevington wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:12 am
C.Fuzzy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:17 am
Okay. That helps. I've watched their videos and I've had experience with non-Newtonian fluid, and while for some applications perhaps they (FP Insoles) are the bomb, I'm not convinced it makes sense that it doesn't rebound...or allow energy to transfer though.
For example, if you jumped into a pool of that non-newtonian liquid like you would a pool of foam, it would fuck you up. Could even kill you. Foam absorbs energy and cushions. That's why little kids can go flip into a foam pit.
Their bowling ball test looks convincing, until I remember I'm not a solid bowling ball and I'll break if the force of my energy isn't absorbed when I make an impact on something.
But, I've also never tried them. Maybe I'm just not understanding it.
I think they really work well for some people but to be honest I think it’s mostly just good marketing. Jaws jumping off houses on a skateboard is pretty convincing and probably why I bought them. The product IMHO is pretty poorly designed. I’m looking for support throughout the day and good energy transfer from an insole, maybe a bit of cushioning but I’m not pretending that 2mm of magic foam is going to save my old ass on a fatty to flatty. The sole of my boot and whatever is in the binding combined is waaay thicker.
B has been using this material for years without advertising. I have tried fp a couple of times on my snowboard boot vans and I still can't draw any conclusions compared to insoles 32 or others. Much better than the vans insoles but I can't give a proper review. It's true that I was convinced by their marketing. I have tried many insoles brands and I end up running away from each new model I try. This year I might try thin ortholites.
Which ones do you use or which ones do you like? I think we might be going down the same way…
Re: The boot thread
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:13 am
by Msteff
I love my fp insoles. I’ve been on the same pair for 4-5 years and have another 3 pairs in reserve. I use the thinnest moldable ones and heat them up in the oven and wear them in my boots around the house prior to the first day riding them. I agree the sole of your boot and your binding is doing the majority of the dampening and the non-Newtonian foam is likely largely bs but these insoles just feel the best to me. I’ve tried remind (hate with the passion of a thousand burning suns), super feet (black are okay), stock (nearly uniformly suck) and custom cork orthotics (best option but broke down and are expensive (not a complaint they had over 200 days on them)).