The Official Burton Thread

[bboytommy]

Also not a fan of expensive sunglasses. I roll with sunski sunglasses. Cheap and great lifetime warranty; I'm on my 3rd pair since 2018.

[Spenser]

[kimchi]

Pulled trigger on a smoking combo deal on W22 Freethinker 160W and a W20 Custom 170W. Some rich guy was moving and in a hurry to get rid of them. Some minor superficial wear but the edges and bases are pristine.

Excited. I haven't owned a Burton solid in 15 years and have demoed maybe three in the past 10. I may just sell or trade the 170W Custom immediately, but I've been intrigued by the Freethinker for a while.

Funnily enough I was bullshitting with @bboytommy a couple weeks ago that I was done wheeling and dealing snowboards because of the time suck-- but here we are lol.

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[kimchi]

I enjoyed this video. Interesting that Fawcett's been on Step Ons for the past 4 years-- that guy is not getting paid by Burton and definitely not compromising on performance. I think he's also said he's relatively heavy at 180 lbs-- still got 30 lbs on him, but that gives me a little more faith I won't eject at high speeds.

Fawcett articulated something about the Step Ons I've been saying since I demoed them 4 years back-- it's not just the convenience, they legitimately turn differently. Not per se better or worse, just differently. That attachment point in the highback makes heel-toe more responsive because the power comes out of pulling the heelcup, not just pushing against the straps.

I liked the security of the heel cleat (probably same reason I like the high heelcups on NOW/Jones bindings), but I couldn't get used to the lack of lateral play from the side cleats locking down the boot. The side cleats also killed my feet, so I never seriously entertained getting a set. I've heard they've made some tweaks and introduced the Photon wide a couple years back.

I am surprisingly intrigued by Step On splitboard bindings. I'll give them a few years to work out kinks, but that lack of lateral play becomes a huge asset while sidehilling, as does an attachment point in the highback. And dealing with straps while transitioning and transporting a split setup is annoying. Maybe I'm just a kook, but the sales pitch theoretically addresses some of my minor pain points while touring-- plus I don't really love my Sparks. They're reliable and get the job done, but I'm always aware I'm riding an all-metal chassis raised off a broken snowboard.

[scrub]

I like the top sheet on the Custom from that year.

I’m also interested in trying a free thinker, I may have to see if I can trade my deep thinker for one.

[bboytommy]

Pulled trigger on a smoking combo deal on W22 Freethinker 160W and a W20 Custom 170W.

I love a good deal. I'm dragging my feet on getting the free thinker. I think it has the best graphics this year tho

[scrub]

I'm not sure how I feel about these

[coleslawed]

I enjoyed this video. Interesting that Fawcett's been on Step Ons for the past 4 years-- that guy is not getting paid by Burton and definitely not compromising on performance. I think he's also said he's relatively heavy at 180 lbs-- still got 30 lbs on him, but that gives me a little more faith I won't eject at high speeds.

Fawcett articulated something about the Step Ons I've been saying since I demoed them 4 years back-- it's not just the convenience, they legitimately turn differently. Not per se better or worse, just differently. That attachment point in the highback makes heel-toe more responsive because the power comes out of pulling the heelcup, not just pushing against the straps.

I liked the security of the heel cleat (probably same reason I like the high heelcups on NOW/Jones bindings), but I couldn't get used to the lack of lateral play from the side cleats locking down the boot. The side cleats also killed my feet, so I never seriously entertained getting a set. I've heard they've made some tweaks and introduced the Photon wide a couple years back.

I am surprisingly intrigued by Step On splitboard bindings. I'll give them a few years to work out kinks, but that lack of lateral play becomes a huge asset while sidehilling, as does an attachment point in the highback. And dealing with straps while transitioning and transporting a split setup is annoying. Maybe I'm just a kook, but the sales pitch theoretically addresses some of my minor pain points while touring-- plus I don't really love my Sparks. They're reliable and get the job done, but I'm always aware I'm riding an all-metal chassis raised off a broken snowboard.

Did you see Tribute just put out a vid on the split ones? Fawcett reiterated your note there in the sidehill benefits.

I don’t remember if I posted this fit theory on here before, but I’m fairly confident that you’re gonna have a different fit experience with Step-On boots depending on where your boot size lands in the binding’s size range. ie, all boots that fit a size medium have the same width at the toe box for the cleats, so a 9 SO boot is probably gonna feel a touch wider than a standard 9, while a 10.5 SO will feel narrower.

I just kept hearing so many stories from people saying they fit wider/narrower than a standard boot, and I know I couldn’t bear to wear the 10.5 demo Ion SO boots for more than a run, but I can wear regular Ions just fine. gonna try some 11’s (albeit the DC Judges instead of B’s) this season to see if it makes a difference being on the smallest end of the range vs the biggest.

[CaptainLurk]

Step ons don’t suck . Kimchi that’s my favorite free thinker graphic. Love the ugly ass cream/brown color scheme. Base is sick too

[kimchi]

I enjoyed this video. Interesting that Fawcett's been on Step Ons for the past 4 years-- that guy is not getting paid by Burton and definitely not compromising on performance. I think he's also said he's relatively heavy at 180 lbs-- still got 30 lbs on him, but that gives me a little more faith I won't eject at high speeds.

Fawcett articulated something about the Step Ons I've been saying since I demoed them 4 years back-- it's not just the convenience, they legitimately turn differently. Not per se better or worse, just differently. That attachment point in the highback makes heel-toe more responsive because the power comes out of pulling the heelcup, not just pushing against the straps.

I liked the security of the heel cleat (probably same reason I like the high heelcups on NOW/Jones bindings), but I couldn't get used to the lack of lateral play from the side cleats locking down the boot. The side cleats also killed my feet, so I never seriously entertained getting a set. I've heard they've made some tweaks and introduced the Photon wide a couple years back.

I am surprisingly intrigued by Step On splitboard bindings. I'll give them a few years to work out kinks, but that lack of lateral play becomes a huge asset while sidehilling, as does an attachment point in the highback. And dealing with straps while transitioning and transporting a split setup is annoying. Maybe I'm just a kook, but the sales pitch theoretically addresses some of my minor pain points while touring-- plus I don't really love my Sparks. They're reliable and get the job done, but I'm always aware I'm riding an all-metal chassis raised off a broken snowboard.

Did you see Tribute just put out a vid on the split ones? Fawcett reiterated your note there in the sidehill benefits.

I don’t remember if I posted this fit theory on here before, but I’m fairly confident that you’re gonna have a different fit experience with Step-On boots depending on where your boot size lands in the binding’s size range. ie, all boots that fit a size medium have the same width at the toe box for the cleats, so a 9 SO boot is probably gonna feel a touch wider than a standard 9, while a 10.5 SO will feel narrower.

I just kept hearing so many stories from people saying they fit wider/narrower than a standard boot, and I know I couldn’t bear to wear the 10.5 demo Ion SO boots for more than a run, but I can wear regular Ions just fine. gonna try some 11’s (albeit the DC Judges instead of B’s) this season to see if it makes a difference being on the smallest end of the range vs the biggest.

Lol I thought the video Spenser shared— also featuring Sollors —was the vid you mentioned. For the record:



I’m at the top of a medium range, so that tracks with your theory. My 10.5 Imperials were suboptimal but rideable for 100+ days. The year one Photon Step Ons murdered my feet demoing them, I could definitely feel the lateral side cleat pinching the bunion area.

I tried on Photon wide a couple years ago and they felt workable— but I haven’t put them to snow yet. If I can find a set, I may go for it. I’m going to run out of Adidas eventually anyway.