The Step On thread

[coleslawed]

nice to get some more photos. I think someone was right earlier in that the heelcup is riveted in, not actually adjustable. you can see what is normally an inside bolt "receiver" on the baseplate, but no matching bolt on the outside going in.

was really hoping they had found a way to make the adjustable heelcup work to get some of those benefits of a Union binding, although the basetray/padding does look pretty cozy, too.

[jsil]

nice to get some more photos. I think someone was right earlier in that the heelcup is riveted in, not actually adjustable. you can see what is normally an inside bolt "receiver" on the baseplate, but no matching bolt on the outside going in.

was really hoping they had found a way to make the adjustable heelcup work to get some of those benefits of a Union binding, although the basetray/padding does look pretty cozy, too.

I'd like to get a review of them, but I don't imagine they are much different than standard Reflex, Flux, etc. I'm more interested in a true comparison of the EST Genesis to everything else as that truly seems like the evolution.

I don't own a channel board though... may have a Gril Master 155 and a pair of EST Genesis Step Ons in my future.

[C.Fuzzy]

Did anyone post pricing on the Union Step Ons yet? According to (this gear patrol article) they;ll be $380...

Which is also the same price as teh flux Step ons.

Coincidence?

[jsil]

Did anyone post pricing on the Union Step Ons yet? According to (this gear patrol article) they;ll be $380...

Which is also the same price as teh flux Step ons.

Coincidence?

Same price as the Reflex Genesis and EST Genesis Step Ons too.

Step On bindings come in three price tiers, $300 (Standard Reflex), $380 (Genesis, EST Genesis, Flux, Union) and $440 (X). If that is forced by Burton or Flux and Union stick to those price points to be competitive, I do not know.

All early accounts say that the Union is closer to the X is stiffness than the others...

Early accounts say that the forward lean is garbage on the Unions too...

[jsil]

nice to get some more photos. I think someone was right earlier in that the heelcup is riveted in, not actually adjustable. you can see what is normally an inside bolt "receiver" on the baseplate, but no matching bolt on the outside going in.

was really hoping they had found a way to make the adjustable heelcup work to get some of those benefits of a Union binding, although the basetray/padding does look pretty cozy, too.

I'd like to get a review of them, but I don't imagine they are much different than standard Reflex, Flux, etc. I'm more interested in a true comparison of the EST Genesis to everything else as that truly seems like the evolution.

I don't own a channel board though... may have a Gril Master 155 and a pair of EST Genesis Step Ons in my future.

Yesterday the lifts started spinning here in Park City. I took out my Ampild Singular 154 w/Genesis and my buddy rode his Gril Master 155 w/EST Genesis. It wasn't an apples to apples comparison because the boards are very different, but I did a couple of runs on his setup and it was very nice.

I will need to compare the same board with Reflex Genesis and EST Genesis back to back on the same day to really appreciate the difference as the Gril Master was a new board for me, but the stack height, board feel and weight was definitely improved.

[pow_hnd]

nice to get some more photos. I think someone was right earlier in that the heelcup is riveted in, not actually adjustable. you can see what is normally an inside bolt "receiver" on the baseplate, but no matching bolt on the outside going in.

was really hoping they had found a way to make the adjustable heelcup work to get some of those benefits of a Union binding, although the basetray/padding does look pretty cozy, too.

I'd like to get a review of them, but I don't imagine they are much different than standard Reflex, Flux, etc. I'm more interested in a true comparison of the EST Genesis to everything else as that truly seems like the evolution.

I don't own a channel board though... may have a Gril Master 155 and a pair of EST Genesis Step Ons in my future.

Yesterday the lifts started spinning here in Park City. I took out my Ampild Singular 154 w/Genesis and my buddy rode his Gril Master 155 w/EST Genesis. It wasn't an apples to apples comparison because the boards are very different, but I did a couple of runs on his setup and it was very nice.

I will need to compare the same board with Reflex Genesis and EST Genesis back to back on the same day to really appreciate the difference as the Gril Master was a new board for me, but the stack height, board feel and weight was definitely improved.

We should link up sometime, I'm in Murray, have a pass to Brighton, Basin and Ikon.

[jsil]

I'd like to get a review of them, but I don't imagine they are much different than standard Reflex, Flux, etc. I'm more interested in a true comparison of the EST Genesis to everything else as that truly seems like the evolution.

I don't own a channel board though... may have a Gril Master 155 and a pair of EST Genesis Step Ons in my future.

Yesterday the lifts started spinning here in Park City. I took out my Ampild Singular 154 w/Genesis and my buddy rode his Gril Master 155 w/EST Genesis. It wasn't an apples to apples comparison because the boards are very different, but I did a couple of runs on his setup and it was very nice.

I will need to compare the same board with Reflex Genesis and EST Genesis back to back on the same day to really appreciate the difference as the Gril Master was a new board for me, but the stack height, board feel and weight was definitely improved.

We should link up sometime, I'm in Murray, have a pass to Brighton, Basin and Ikon.

From 17/18 to 22/23 I had Epic and Ikon, but now I just have Epic as I live in Park City. An intense job and little kids mean that I mostly just ride local. I still get a solid amount of days, but only here unfortunately.

[jota]

Dc // Flux Other step on …

LATER EDIT: I posted this thinking it might be interesting but now I don't think it is.

[C.Fuzzy]

2 sessions in with step ons... first, I can firmly say the Photons do not fit my fukkn feet. Specifically the built in J-bars in the liners are in the wrong spot entirely for my ankles. Pushed though the discomfort and rode until it became entirely unbearable. Not a surprising result for me with Burton boots.

I think I'm going to take out the cinch cord for the internal liner gusset and try a different liner. See what happens.

Secondly, I have a concerning amount of play in the heel cleat on my front boot. Shit rattles when I'm sitting on the lift, and it's interesting watching the binding flex off the board when I'm putting torque on it. Seems a bit jank. I do not notice the play while riding though. I know folks have said there are replacement cleats to cure this. I'll explore that if I can make the boots work for me.

Hard getting comfortable feeling secure when I've clipped in. It's so quick and simple that it never feels like it's secure, but... it is.

There's a noticeably more locked in feeling when riding. Trad bindings just have more play or movement between the boot and binding. Straps flex, contort, the boot moves inside the binding...

My analogy is the difference between skating with loose trucks vs. tight trucks.

This will just be a personal preference of the rider. And my expectation is you'll get use to whichever one and then the other will feel off. A bit like if you like tight trucks and you try riding someone's board that has loose trucks... just feels weird. But if you rode it enough you'd adapt all the same.

Edit: could also partially be the difference between the skate tech which I've been riding exclusively for a decade now, and just normal bindings.

Initially I thought I'd ride the stepons at the little home hill with kids and stick to traditional for my more serious riding by myself... and now I'm not sure if I get use to one or the other if it'll feel 'off' to go back and forth.

If I can figure out the boot thing, then my next experiment will be to ride SO's and strap, same board, same day, and see what stands out to me. I'm really curious if I get that sort of "OMG this IS better" when I get back into my Nows... or if I go, "meh, pros and cons, give or take".

Getting into the binding is easier. Virtually no need to make a little heel divot with the board before strapping in. I haven't tried clipping into the binding while seated on the lift yet, but I think it's possible... I haven't tried clipping in while getting off the chair yet either, but I think that's probably possible too.

I think I prefer traditional straps for getting out of the binding. With traditional straps I can unstrap and keep momentum... like keep my foot in and then take it out to push and keep skating. With the step ons I've had to come to a complete stop to release because of the way the foot comes out of the toe cleats.

[eleveneightnate]

Great feedback. I'm trying mine out this weekend and have a feeling I'll have similar results (except B's boots fit me great).