jsil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:34 am
That was what Burton support told me. If you have compared them side by side and found differently, then I stand corrected. I didn't try the wides because of what Burton support told me.
Burton guide response from April 2024:
"If you've tried on standard fit boots and felt pressure points, or you typically wear wide fit street shoes, a wide fit boot could be just the ticket. Our wide fit models offer an additional 4mm of width in the forefoot of the boot, with +2mm on lateral side and +2mm on medial side. For men's boots, this translates to a EEE width.
This is consistent across all of our wide models, as the change in fit is applied via the liner last shape and liner construction in the forefoot. The outsole of the boot runs the same as the standard fit, so choosing a wide boot will not impact fit in your bindings. "
Yes, I measured outer shells in real life, in size 9 Darkseid is 5mm wider, Photon Wide is 3mm wider, and Sweetspot is 2mm wider than Ion. Unfortunately, I do not have normal Photons on my hands.
But I stand corrected about liners, Photon Wide liner is marked WF (Wide Fit?) and it is clearly wider, than normal liner on Sweetspot, ~5mm wider.
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jsil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:42 am
Thanks! What kind of shape were the rider tested ones in? I imagine rider owned would be too packed in to be worth trying.
I have two pairs of the "Rider Tested" ones and both are in near-mint condition. Looks like they were used once or twice. The soles don't have any wear and there are only a few minor scuffs on them, the liners feel and look new.
jsil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:34 am
That was what Burton support told me. If you have compared them side by side and found differently, then I stand corrected. I didn't try the wides because of what Burton support told me.
Burton guide response from April 2024:
"If you've tried on standard fit boots and felt pressure points, or you typically wear wide fit street shoes, a wide fit boot could be just the ticket. Our wide fit models offer an additional 4mm of width in the forefoot of the boot, with +2mm on lateral side and +2mm on medial side. For men's boots, this translates to a EEE width.
This is consistent across all of our wide models, as the change in fit is applied via the liner last shape and liner construction in the forefoot. The outsole of the boot runs the same as the standard fit, so choosing a wide boot will not impact fit in your bindings. "
That appears to be the case with my SO Photon 11 wides. They have a real thin neoprene type of material on the outsides of the toebox and the outer shell seems to be the same as a normal 11. They're really comfy and have tons of width in the toes.
jsil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 7:34 am
That was what Burton support told me. If you have compared them side by side and found differently, then I stand corrected. I didn't try the wides because of what Burton support told me.
Burton guide response from April 2024:
"If you've tried on standard fit boots and felt pressure points, or you typically wear wide fit street shoes, a wide fit boot could be just the ticket. Our wide fit models offer an additional 4mm of width in the forefoot of the boot, with +2mm on lateral side and +2mm on medial side. For men's boots, this translates to a EEE width.
This is consistent across all of our wide models, as the change in fit is applied via the liner last shape and liner construction in the forefoot. The outsole of the boot runs the same as the standard fit, so choosing a wide boot will not impact fit in your bindings. "
Yes, I measured outer shells in real life, in size 9 Darkseid is 5mm wider, Photon Wide is 3mm wider, and Sweetspot is 2mm wider than Ion. Unfortunately, I do not have normal Photons on my hands.
But I stand corrected about liners, Photon Wide liner is marked WF (Wide Fit?) and it is clearly wider, than normal liner on Sweetspot, ~5mm wider.
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The Photon Step On Wide shell is 3mm wider than the Photon Step On regular fit?
jsil wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2024 8:59 am
The Photon Step On Wide shell is 3mm wider than the Photon Step On regular fit?
The Photon Step On Wide shell is 3mm wider than Ion Step On shell, unfortunately I do not have the Photon Step On regular to measure. I did compare Photon SO Wide and Photon SO regular shells in shop and Wide shell is wider, but is it 3mm or something else - I am not sure.
Ive had a couple of photon step on in wide. They’re not as roomy as ordinary boots. I had to size up and for me the fit wasn’t great. The lower boa doesn’t do anything else but possibly stiffen up the ankle section in my experience. Possibly the Ion would have been better if they had made it in wide when I had my Step on period.
Snowdaddy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:28 am
Ive had a couple of photon step on in wide. They’re not as roomy as ordinary boots. I had to size up and for me the fit wasn’t great. The lower boa doesn’t do anything else but possibly stiffen up the ankle section in my experience. Possibly the Ion would have been better if they had made it in wide when I had my Step on period.
The only people I knew who dropped the system all had issues with boot fit. I totally get it. I recommend the system to everyone with the caveat that if the boots don't work for you, the system won't either. IMO it is complicated because boot fit is even more critical than in straps.
The boa strap definitely stiffened up the ankle section, but I also felt that it locked the heel down a bit too. Boot fit so so subjective. If my calves with a little lower and bigger I think the Ion would have been perfect for me, but I enjoy the performance out of the system so much I'm going to give the photon a shot.
If you ever get a chance to try the Ion, you should, but I'd also recommend trying a Nitro Darkseid or profile boot if you have any desire to get back on the system. All expensive propositions so I get it.
