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[coleslawed]

Step ons are great when you have kids and have to strap in and out on flats and lift lines. Too bad they don’t fit wide feet or have double boas etc.

Burton makes wide boots, and DC's also fit a touch wider, and have true dual BOA...

[jsil]

Step ons are great when you have kids and have to strap in and out on flats and lift lines. Too bad they don’t fit wide feet or have double boas etc.

The Burton Swath, DC Judge and Nitro Darkseid are all true dual zone double boas.

Burton makes the Ion and Photon in wide, but they just have a wider liner. The boot shell itself is the same as the non-wides.

As I wrote, Mark Fawcett rides the Photon which is a double boa, but not technically a double zone. Mark had this to say about the Photon, "Although it’s technically a single boa, it’s pretty easy to manipulate how that one boa tightens the boot ( holding the two corners of the top cuff apart while you tighten, etc. ). The ankle strap works really well, and I crank that thing down as well. This certainly gives the same effect as a dual boa. I do not like speed lacing because I cannot get the top tight enough ( once the boot is worked in ). "

That's my problem with Ion speed lace too. I'm hoping they make a triple boa Ion one day... that would be my perfect boot.

[alex]

Burton makes the Ion and Photon in wide, but they just have a wider liner. The boot shell itself is the same as the non-wides.

I have read same statement before, but this is not true, Photon Wide has a lot wider shell, than normal Photon. I strongly believe that the liner is same on both, at least there is nothing on the liner to indicate that it is wide, but the shell is marked as wide.

What is crazy (from engineering perspective), even distance between front cleats is different on different boots, so not only shell but also cleats are wider on Photon Wide (and other wider boots), compared to Photon or Ion.

[jsil]

That was what Burton support told me. If you have compared them side by side and found differently, then I stand corrected. I didn't try the wides because of what Burton support told me.

Burton guide response from April 2024:

"If you've tried on standard fit boots and felt pressure points, or you typically wear wide fit street shoes, a wide fit boot could be just the ticket. Our wide fit models offer an additional 4mm of width in the forefoot of the boot, with +2mm on lateral side and +2mm on medial side. For men's boots, this translates to a EEE width.

This is consistent across all of our wide models, as the change in fit is applied via the liner last shape and liner construction in the forefoot. The outsole of the boot runs the same as the standard fit, so choosing a wide boot will not impact fit in your bindings. "

[eleveneightnate]

That was what Burton support told me. If you have compared them side by side and found differently, then I stand corrected. I didn't try the wides because of what Burton support told me.

Burton guide response from April 2024:

"If you've tried on standard fit boots and felt pressure points, or you typically wear wide fit street shoes, a wide fit boot could be just the ticket. Our wide fit models offer an additional 4mm of width in the forefoot of the boot, with +2mm on lateral side and +2mm on medial side. For men's boots, this translates to a EEE width.

This is consistent across all of our wide models, as the change in fit is applied via the liner last shape and liner construction in the forefoot. The outsole of the boot runs the same as the standard fit, so choosing a wide boot will not impact fit in your bindings. "

That appears to be the case with my SO Photon 11 wides. They have a real thin neoprene type of material on the outsides of the toebox and the outer shell seems to be the same as a normal 11. They're really comfy and have tons of width in the toes.

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[jsil]

I wish they would sell the liners separately.

[eleveneightnate]

I wish they would sell the liners separately.

What size do you wear?

[jsil]

8.5 and 9 playing around between different boots. Ion, Photon and Photon soft.

Been riding the 8.5 Ions for five seasons (three different boots) but I can never get the speed lace tight enough in the top so going to try Photons this season.

[eleveneightnate]

8.5 and 9 playing around between different boots. Ion, Photon and Photon soft.

Been riding the 8.5 Ions for five seasons (three different boots) but I can never get the speed lace tight enough in the top so going to try Photons this season.

Burton has used SO Photon Wides in 8.5 and 9 here for $92: https://rentals.burton.com/products/men ... olor=Black

The liners alone are probably worth that. I got the "Rider Tested" ones and they're nearly new.

[jsil]

Thanks! What kind of shape were the rider tested ones in? I imagine rider owned would be too packed in to be worth trying.