benjinyc wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:33 pm
Cadet is surprisingly stiff, interesting to read you find it stiffer than the transmission on edge (more torsional stiffness?). I’m really enjoying my 154 cadet for resort groomers. I think it’s my DD now.
Contemplating a transmission, I have a korua cr that fills that spot at the moment
I think he was relating each board to itself. The transmission is absolutely stiffer than the cadet in every way, but he's saying that on edge, the transmission doesn't feel as stiff as it does otherwise, while the Cadet on edge feels stiffer than it does otherwise. At least I think that's what he means.
Yes, Spenser is right, sorry to mislead. Transmission is always stiffer, on edge Cadet feels almost as stiff as Transmission, but still Cadet is softer.
alex wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:09 am
I guess, in better conditions for carving, I will like the Cadet even less, but in softer conditions probably much more.
Well, I hated Cadet on good groomers, no dampening and destroyed sidecut (front contact points "cut off", more open in nose and tail) are not good attributes for carving.
Transmission feels like a race car, razor sharp, precise steering, but Cadet feels like riding in a shopping cart, with no steering wheel in first place.
I wonder if I will like any other board anymore, after Transmission, all my previous favorite boards feels outdated.
I love the idea of the 'Deep Days' inserts but until a rocket scientist makes a sideways career move into the snowboard industry I will need to run a 25" stance to actually use them both.
I used the Deep Days inserts on a Cadet and hated it, personally. Less support out of a stubby tail, created a super long lever over the nose and went over handlebars more often. Maybe in mega deep, mellow terrain, but I much preferred reference. That plus fewer stance options and no mini-disc compatibility for powder inserts.
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setback inserts are really just a marketing thing, imo, and not actually used.
unless you’re running a stance as narrow as possible, you’ll have room to setback plenty using the standard inserts. and like @kevington said, you’d then have a very different stance width if you really needed to use them.
Kevington wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:09 am
I love the idea of the 'Deep Days' inserts but until a rocket scientist makes a sideways career move into the snowboard industry I will need to run a 25" stance to actually use them both.
Are you saying the pow inserts are 25" inches apart? On both of mine, they are the same as reference width, which I believe is 22.
Anyway, agreed. I don't add setback for float, I only offset from reference depending what feels best in general. On the board I ride for the deepest days, I have it set all the way forward, for example (fullbag hammerhead)
Kevington wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:09 am
I love the idea of the 'Deep Days' inserts but until a rocket scientist makes a sideways career move into the snowboard industry I will need to run a 25" stance to actually use them both.
Are you saying the pow inserts are 25" inches apart? On both of mine, they are the same as reference width, which I believe is 22.
Anyway, agreed. I don't add setback for float, I only offset from reference depending what feels best in general. On the board I ride for the deepest days, I have it set all the way forward, for example (fullbag hammerhead)
Yeah, they are wider than the reference stance, which is already wide at 22.5". I never really understood why the reference stance is so often the second most inserts from the center of the board on both feet. With this board for example it gives the possibility for a centered 27" stance. I'd guess nobody is buying this board and doing that. Whereas a 20-21" stance that is an inch or two set back is not possible, even though US is basically a Craig Kelly tribute band (in a good way). I'll make it work but I do think most boards have the front insert pack too far forward, it's like an industry default from when everyone rode twins or something. I watched a Tribute Lounge thing with Cannon Cummins and he needs to have his front foot set all the way back 2x4, on his own pro model.
coleslawed wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:11 pm
setback inserts are really just a marketing thing, imo, and not actually used.
I'd imagine all of us here have a dedicated board for when it gets deep.
maybe it was designed for the person buying the Cadet/Horizon as their one board quiver. Like I'll usually fly out west with at least 2 boards packed (resort, pow), but last trip I just flew with my Cadet thinking id use the setbacks if I needed to
Yes has these setback inserts on a few of their boards (Standard, Pyzel)
most boards have what, 6 rows of inserts?, I do have one board that has 8 (and the last row is marked as 'pow stance')
Transmission is always stiffer, on edge Cadet feels almost as stiff as Transmission, but still Cadet is softer. 
